http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf...Esp_Tomato.pdf, http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf...Esp_Garden.pdf. Just only a 25% increase in these difficult economic times. From 050909From 051709. I think the comments to date are simply pointing out ways the result could be more meaningful, but nobody is under any obligation to do anything. They aren't static and they multiply if conditions are right. Ray is obviously taking many precautions to obtain good anecdotal evidence that can be taken or left by the readers. I would really like to understand how this happens - - really, I do!! Folks can and will draw whatever conclusions they will from the trial, but anyone with an ounce of respect for science is going to have to put the results into the 'more research needed' category. What do you guys think? There is no way to refute these unless the experiment controls for them. I dunno.. just have fun with it! The one on the left had Fox Farms Tomato Fertilizer, and the one on the right had Tomato-tone: Well, I was fat, dumb, and happy thinking I had "found" my ultimate fertilizer in Tomato-tone and "BAM!!" I noticed both Home Depot and lowes carry the espoma products except. I really don't know for certain. Perhaps a question for you to ask is why isn't the new formula resulting in an underperforming plant the way the Fox Farm's product did. I think its 4-10-6 but not organic. My previous comments regarding the use of limited numbers of unstable or inbred varieties in a side-by-side comparison was only in response to the impression given by the topic title "Myth Buster" and "New vs Old" etc. raybo,i forgot to tell you that your grandson is so adorable!!! I will liken it to placing a plastic divider in your hot tub, Pouring a gallon of clorox in one side and placing a chlorine tablet in the other. I look EXACTLY like that - - after a bottle of DeLoach Chardonnay..... Ray, you were right about this thread being a spirited discussion. I also grow over the winter. Not scientific, but for observational pondering.. Brandywine in the back left is growing with old Garden-Tone + worm castings, Brandywine in the back right is growing with new Tomato-Tone + worm castings. It was the best price I found for 18 lbs. I have 2 patio tomatoes in a raised bed next to each other. Tomatoe tone vs garden tone Soilbuilding 101™ I know that prices can get high fertilizer but I paid $9 for 7lbs of Cotton Seed Meal last fall that said fertilizer.It was your advice that I ask for the cattle feed witch they were out of at the time.Now they have the 50 lb. Your methodology in this particular case is too flawed to reach a meaningful conclusion. Anyone that thinks your tests are inadequate is free to do his own. Keep it going Ray!!!Kat. I think most of us would very much like to see the progression of this experiment Ray! Mine is - - what it is - - flawed and all..... Any verdict so far on whether the new tomato tone is as good as the old one? I wasn't meaning that the microbes would go through the water resevoir, but right through the barrier in the soil. I don't agree that the EarthTainer eco-system is as "fluid" as a hot tub. If it wasn't how do you explain the huge difference in Photo #2 in my original post, of production with Fox Farms on the left, and the "Old" Tomato-tone on the right with two identical hybrid Big Beef plants? I also wonder if the addition of them is more beneficial when fertilizing in the ground than in a container where the medium is more reliable to begin with. Folks can say 'old is better', 'new is better', 'old and new are the same' etc. No one has suggested that Ray redo his experiment to be able to validate a scientific finding. Some people (as the thread has clearly shown) will look at side by side results and take it at face value, and immediately go into a tizzy about the company 'watering it down'. 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